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RustShack
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 | | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:59 pm | |
| Moore and Clauson were both awful in Carolina. Daboll made Moore look good in Miami. Weis and Daboll come from the same offense, so Clauson ran it in college. _________________  |
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OutlawChief
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:57 pm | |
| | RustShack wrote: | | Moore and Clauson were both awful in Carolina. Daboll made Moore look good in Miami. Weis and Daboll come from the same offense, so Clauson ran it in college. |
Good point actually, maybe Clausen could be an option. But would he be ready to walk right in and beat out Cassel. I think Orton would actually have a better chance. I may not be high on Orton, but unless it's Manning Idk if anyone is available that would actually learn the offense that Cassel already knows and beat him out. Orton would have the best chance I think. |
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SylvesterMalone1978
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:23 pm | |
| Clauson is intreaging. There was A LOT of hype around him during that draft! He's still young and talented enough to be a franchise QB. Has experience in this scheme, and a little NFL experience to build on. Zorn is great with QB's, and like Rusty said Moore was in the same situation as Clauson and Daboll was able to produce with him. |
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chiefbravebull
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:58 pm | |
| Clausen is an interesting idea. He might actually be able to push cassel and might be cheap to come by. |
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RustShack
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:25 pm | |
| 1. Manning
1. A. Trade up for Luck/RG3(least likely)
2. Orton
3. Clauson to compete with Cassel, with the upside to potentially slide up to option 1. B. _________________ |
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redross006
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Location: Belton, MO
| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:33 am | |
| | RustShack wrote: | 1. Manning
1. A. Trade up for Luck/RG3(least likely)
2. Orton
3. Clauson to compete with Cassel, with the upside to potentially slide up to option 1. B. |
Clauson is the only realistic possiblity on this list. Manning wants to stay warm and will command major coin, and may be to big of a risk. It has never been in Pioli's nature to trade up early in the draft to take a QB, so you can count out RG3. He thinks he is "great" enough to find the next Tom Brady sitting in the later rounds of the draft. Orton is not coming back, and you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. He will go to a team where he does not have to "compete" with a "franchise" QB that is clearly not as good as he is. Which leaves us with Clauson who I think is just good enough to lose out to Matt Cassell meaning your QB for the regular season opener is... wait for it.... Matt Cassell... like I've been saying all along. Don't like it, cannot understand it, but pretty sure that's how it's gonna go down. |
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OutlawChief
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:32 pm | |
| Manning is a risk, a big risk. But also very high reward. And he has said if released he would agree to a incentive based contract on performance. So I think he could be a realistic option. Trading up for Luck/RG3 I din't see happening would be shocked. Most likely we will sign an Orton or Clauson, or someone to compete with Cassel. And we will just have to wait and see what happens from there on. |
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SylvesterMalone1978
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:16 pm | |
| I don't think Orton is unrealistic at all. It's not like he's a great QB who will be handed the job anywhere. Crennel wants Orton, Daboll wanted Orton in Miami, and hell I'd assume Zorn wants Orton. I too find it interesting that we have Orton in our grasp and Pioli completely changes his stance and says there will be a QB competition. Even in an interview he said he wouldn't be against trading up for a QB unless the asking price was two first rounders. |
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BigRatt
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:46 pm | |
| | SylvesterMalone1978 wrote: | | I don't think Orton is unrealistic at all. It's not like he's a great QB who will be handed the job anywhere. Crennel wants Orton, Daboll wanted Orton in Miami, and hell I'd assume Zorn wants Orton. I too find it interesting that we have Orton in our grasp and Pioli completely changes his stance and says there will be a QB competition. Even in an interview he said he wouldn't be against trading up for a QB unless the asking price was two first rounders. |
If I was doing it, I would put 2 - 1st round picks together along with a 2nd to go up and get RG3. RG3 will take multiple 1sts to execute the trade. |
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RustShack
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:04 pm | |
| I'm really not a fan of those types of trades either honestly. If RG3(or Luck) falls down a few spots(which typically happens every year), I wouldn't be against packaging together a few picks to move up a few spots to get him... but I'd prefer not to lose two first round picks. _________________ |
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redross006
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 pm | |
| Yeah two 1st rounder would be way to much for someone who could potentially be a bust. I'm not saying he will be, but the possibility is there.
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BigRatt
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| | Subject: . Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:33 pm | |
| | RustShack wrote: | | I'm really not a fan of those types of trades either honestly. If RG3(or Luck) falls down a few spots(which typically happens every year), I wouldn't be against packaging together a few picks to move up a few spots to get him... but I'd prefer not to lose two first round picks. |
I'm not either normally! But now is the time to do this kind of trade. First off, RG3 is a star! He's as good as Luck in my opinion! I have seen him actually throw the ball better than Luck. The kid has wheels and can throw on the run. He has learned to use his feet to extend plays where he primarily ran the ball early in his career. If we have learned anything this year with Tebow it's that kind of speed on the ground gives a just about undefenseable play in the flat. On 3rd down when a good defense covers every option you have and your QB takes off and gets the 1st down with ease its very demoralizing play that has to be accounted for. When they account for a QB like that it opens up other options for guys like Charles and company. It sucks to give up multiple 1st round picks but every now and again its essential when you play in a QB driven league. This team is in place now and will be complete after this FA and draft if Pioli plays aggressive. He fucking better play aggressive this year! There is to many good players out there and we have lots of money to spend. If you want to win Championships you have to have a QB! You can get lucky and win one with a Trent Dilfer type QB. Sooner or later, you have to whats necessary to land a stud QB |
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RustShack
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:04 pm | |
| I would take Luck over RG3. IDk I really only watched RG3 against Iowa State and it wasn't pretty through the air for him. _________________ |
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redross006
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:27 pm | |
| There's no way I would give up multiple 1st rounders for RG3. MAYBE for Luck and thats a big maybe. |
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RustShack
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| | Subject: Re: Competition for Cassel Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:31 pm | |
| I would be more willing for Luck. But really don't wanna do that for anyone. Just take the OL. A OL full of Pro Bowlers and HOF players made Trent Green look like a Pro Bowler. _________________ |
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